Q&A - general questions at Qing-Bai
Voor studenten is een uitgebreidere vraagbaak te vinden op het studentenportaal
Taal / language:
• Can I bring somebody with me to the Open Day?
• What are the entry requirements for the Academy of Chinese Medicine Qing-Bai / Higher Vocational Training for Acupuncture?
Yes sure, you can take somebody with you to the open day or guest day and you do not need to register that person.
S/he will be able to attend the lecture about Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) as well as a demonstration of acupuncture, Tuina massage or Shiatsu.
The minimum education level required is HAVO (Dutch "higher general continued education") or equivalent. If you don't meet this requirement an entry committee will decide if you are eligible for admission. In order to apply proceed as follows: submit your application and a letter explaining your background, work experience and education. Please send copies of the relevant diplomas and documents.
• What is the study load, how many hours do I have to study?
Admission is decided by the entry committee, as part of the procedure an interview may be required.
During the Basic Vocational Training exam (the first year) we will test that your level is equivalent to the HBO (Dutch "higher professional education"). The exam is written accordingly.
• How do I register as a beginning student?
How demanding your study is depends on different factors. From our experience, young students (about 20 years old) have an easier time than older ones (older than 45). Another factor is whether you have recently been studying. Additionally, the previous education plays a role. With a university or other higher vocational education, the number of hours of study will be lower than without this background.
Generally speaking you must count on 3 to 4 times the number of class hours to study by yourself. That means that between two days of lessons you need about 20 hours.
Some students manage with considerably less and others need more time.
A Chinese proverb says: "Het is the adverse wind that makes the kite rise"
You can apply in two ways:
• If I do the Basic Training in, for example, Amsterdam, can I then do the specialisation in another place?
- With the application form from the brochure that can be requested via "Brochure bestellen"
- With the application form that can be downloaded (choose "inschrijven").
Yes, of course. After the Basic Vocational Training you can choose your graduation speciality and where you want to study it.
• What does Qing-Bai mean and how do you pronounce it?
You must be aware however that not all the specialities are in every city. The Basic Vocational Training and Acupuncture are taught in Nijmegen, Amsterdam, Amersfoort and Breda, Tuina in Amersfoort (and Nijmegen). Herbalism and Nutrition are currently only taught in Amersfoort.
We teach Basics of Western Medicine in Amersfoort, Amsterdam and Nijmegen.
Qing Bai originates from the classical Chinese language. It is an abbreviation for Qing Long Bai Hu. Qing Long means green dragon, which symbolizes east and the yang aspect. Bai Hu means white tiger, which symbolizes west and the Yin aspect. These opposites are inextricably bound to each other.
• What must be my level in Dutch and in English?
The pronunciation is as follows: Qing is pronounced as "ching" and Bai is pronounced as "buy".
In TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) this symbolizes yin and yang. For example Qing Long symbolizes the Liver, the east, according to the Five Elements. Bai Hu symbolizes the Lungs, the west.
Zhang Zhong Jing (one of the founders of TCM), author of the book Shang Han Lun (an important classical medical work from the second century A.D.) gave the following names to two important herbal formulas: Qing Lung Tang and Bai Hu Tang.
Therefore every TCM therapist and student recognizes these terms as symbols of yin and yang.
In order to judge for yourself if your Dutch is sufficient to successfully study in Qing-Bai you can use the language test on the site of the Open University: www.ou.nl. Type the word "taaltest" in the search function ("Zoeken")
• What are the addresses of the class locations and where can I find route descriptions?
We are still looking for a good site to test English (let us know if you have a tip!).
• At what time are the classes?
You will find the addresses of the various locations below.
Clear route descriptions can be found on their respective websites or with a route planner.
- Amersfoort, Berghotel, Utrechtseweg 225 www.berghotel.nl
- Breda, Hotel Apollo, Stationsplein 14, www.mercure.nl
- Nijmegen (Wednesdays), Landgeod Holthurnse Hof, Zevenheuvelenweg 48A, Berg en Dal, or
- Nijmegen (Fridays), parkhotel Val Monte, Oude Holleweg 5 te Berg en Dal (nabij Nijmegen)
- Amsterdam, Park Plaza, Melbournestraat 1, Lijnden / Amsterdam
In general classes take place between 12:00 and 18:00. These times apply to the regular classes, extra trainings and conferences.
• Can I order the books that I need through the school?
There are several reasons for this: it gives students with long travelling time the chance to be on time and traffic jams can be avoided. The breaks are short to make the most of the school day.
No, the school does not deal with books and other materials. At the bottom of the list with required literature you can find some suggestions where to order.
• Is there a Dutch translation of the book "Foundations of Chinese Medicine"?
The school does not deal with books to avoid mixing commercial and educational interests.
We believe that each educational section must be completely free to choose the best books from a pedagogical perspective, without having to take into account factors such as which ones are still in stocks, etc.
Yes, the book is translated and is published by SATAS in Brussels (www.satas.com). The Dutch translation is completely faithful to the English and the books can therefore be used at the same time or separately. Do pay attention to which edition is indicated in the literature list!
• I have studied TCM elsewhere, can I skip the Basic Vocational Training?
• Can I get an exemption for the Basics of Western Medicine course?
In general we advise against missing the Basic Vocational Training (1st year at the Academy), even for students who already have acquired some knowledge of Traditional Chinese Medicine.
But in certain cases people can get an exemption for the Basic Vocational Training. For example if you have done an equivalent course in or outside of the Netherlands.
In any case the exam for the Basic Vocational Training has to be taken. If passed successfully, an exemption can be obtained.
You can apply for exemption by mail, possibly after having discussed it on the phone.
The course Basics of Western Medicine is normally required to become a member of the various professional associations (such as for example Zhong, VNT and NWP). However, each association has its own policies and it is therefore for each one to decide who can get exemption.
• Which study route is the most obvious?
So, if you want to know if you can get the exemption you need to contact the professional association.
Qing-Bai Academy only gives the Basics of Western Medicine diploma when both the exams have been passed and at least 80% of the classes were attended. In case a student skips a module s/he cannot get the diploma. S/he will however get an overview of the study results that s/he can submit to the professional association.
Which study route a student chooses depends on his/her own preferences, interests and sometimes previous education. Most students start with the Basic Vocational Training and then choose Acupuncture (80%).
The one-year Basics of Western Medicine is often done after that, making membership in a professional association possible.
• Who works at the secretary\'s office?
Some students (20%) choose to first do Basics of Western Medicine, then the Basic Vocational Training and then one or more specialised professional courses.
The student is free in this choice. Should you want some advice as to which route is most appropriate for you, give us a call or come to an Open Day. During open days, there is ample opportunity to consider and discuss this question
Working within the organization are Isabel Bomers, Kim van Dijk, Maria van Dorp, Hans Frencken, Geert-Jan Gerritsen, Roel Peeters and Karin de Vries.
• How can I find a therapist close to where I live?
When our students graduate and start their own practice, they generally become members of a professional association. You can get information about practicing therapists from these associations. Often simply from their websites, for example: www.zhong.nl, www.acupunctuur.nl, www.vnt-online.nl.
• Are alternative health treatments covered by insurances?
This depends on the type of insurance the client has. Each insurance company has its own products and policies. Therefore the client always has to check if, which and to what extent alternative therapy is covered by his/her insurance.
• Wat is the difference between TCM and TCG?
There is no difference.
• There is a mistake in the website. Can I notify you?
TCM is the abbreviation of the internationally used term Traditional Chinese Medicine.
TCG is the Dutch version, Traditioneel Chinese Geneeskunde.
• Accessibility of the secretary\'s office.
Yes, please send us a message immediately.
Due to the large amount of data on the different websites it can unfortunately happen that a mistake has been overlooked or some information has not been properly updated. Should you find something, we will be very grateful if you let us know. Doing so will also help those reading after you.
Please try and be as clear and specific as possible about what is wrong and where so that we can correct it easily. There are A LOT of pages on our websites.
For that you can use the Print Screen key on the keyboard of your computer. It takes a snapshot of the current screen which you can then simply paste in an empty Word or PDF document. You can write your comment underneath it and mail it to us as attachment.
Thank you for your effort!!!
The secretary's office can be reached by phone from Monday to Friday, in the morning, from 09:00 until 12:30.
• 48. What is meant by "recommended" and "mandatory" reading?
Here is a tip for if you want to leave a message on the voicemail: as soon as you hear the recorded message, press # on your phone, you hear the beep and you can leave your message immediately.
We will get back to you if you leave a message.
Of course you can also contact us by e-mail: email@example.com.
We recommend that you only ask by mail simple questions. For example: "Is the workshop scheduled for Friday cancelled?" can easily be answered with a Yes or a No. But the answer to a question like "What is the workshop about and do you think I can benefit from it?" is not as straightforward. In this case it would be better to call so that we can discuss and answer the question according to your specific situation.
There is generally somebody from the secretary's office present on class days, at least at the beginning and at the end of the day.
"Mandatory" is really necessary. "Recommended" is useful but certainly not yet needed for the first class. You can then also discuss with the teachers how important these books can be for you specifically.
• I have missed a class, how can I catch up?
If you have been unable to attend a class, you can generally make up for it by attending a class in parallel group. You have to inform the secretary's office of your intention to do so beforehand. In principle, this is allowed four times per year.
• Do I have to be part of a study group?
If you are not able to catch up the lesson with another group, it is wise to seriously keep an eye on the Study Board.
Teachers must put the arrangements made with the group during the class and the assignments that were given on the Study Board afterwards so that nobody can miss out.
It is even agreed that arrangements that are not posted on the Study Board are not valid.
It is not mandatory, but it is strongly recommended. This way you get the opportunity to meet other students from other classes. There are many parallel classes and you might meet students who live near you.
• Do students practice on each other for the Acupuncture and Tuina courses?
It is imperative to participate in a study/practice group when you attend courses like Acupuncture or Tuina, which have a strong emphasis on practical experience.
Yes, students practice on each other, in class as well as in the study groups that they organize themselves. If you study Acupuncture or Tuina you have to be ready to be used as a guinea pig.
• Do I have to practice a lot at home?
This is necessary in order to experience the different needle and massage techniques yourself.
Temporary exception can be made, for example in case of pregnancy, etc. If a student cannot or does not want to be treated with needles on a certain day, this is of course respected.
It is very important that students study most days and practice every day.
• What reading material is recommended? Is there a reading list?
The following sentence is in the brochure for the Acupuncture training: "Only when a student practices the pulse and tongue diagnosis daily and uses at least 5 acupuncture needles per day for a few years, will he be able to acquire the necessary skills."
One needs to focus on different things for different disciplines. For all the practice oriented studies the motto is: PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT!
Generally students form little study groups and meet each other regularly to practice outside of school.
The reading lists can be found on the Study Board and on www.qing-bai.nl. The study year indicated for each section tells you when it was last updated.
• As a student, am I allowed to attend classes of other sections?
For the sake of orientation it can be useful to attend (part of) a class day of another section. Inform the secretary's office if you wish to do so.
• What is an internal apprenticeship? An external one?
This can be especially helpful for students of the Basic Vocational Training (the first year), to get an impression of the different aspects of Traditional Chinese Medicine.
Such "visits" have to be agreed upon as not every class is suitable
Not every class being suitable for such "visits" they have to be arranged in advance. This also allows for a good distribution of the students.
An internal apprenticeship takes place within the school. It is days of study for which you register separately (via the Study Board for example). They are similar to school days (12:00 pm until 18:00 pm) but very practice-orientated with various patients, and not in your own class group.
No report needs to be made of these days.
• What does a day of internal apprenticeship look like?
During days of external apprenticeship you follow and observe a future colleague in his/her practice. This apprenticeship is organized by the student himself. A report of the apprenticeship must be made and uploaded in your personal studentfile.
A day of internal apprenticeship is like a school day but much more practice-orientated and not in your own group. The group counts between 10 and 30 students and 3 patients are usually treated in one day.
There is one teacher, and sometimes assistants. The patients are spread throughout the day, one at 12:00, one at 14:00, etc.
The teacher starts working with the patient as s/he would in a normal practice situation. The process of anamnesis and diagnostic are slower than normal because all kinds of pedagogical explanations and assignments are given.
• Can I bring a patient in at an internal teaching practise?
When he arrives the patient is received by the student who registered him. This student then also explains to him what to expect. the patient does not stay the whole day but must count on spending about 2 hours in the class.
Yes, look at the studiebord.nl
• I am not fluent in the Dutch language.
Keep in mind when you bring in a patient:
- an obvious complaint must be present
- the patient will be prepared by you for the situation.
- do not bring in yourself unless you have an obvious complaint
For the time being examinations are availble in Dutch only. But you are allowed to answer questions in English!
• When and how do I receive the results of my examination?
If you have problems with the Dutch language, please contact the secretary's office. They will decide if you will be allowed to use a dictionary (an electronic dictionary is not accepted!).
We strive to have the results published within 10 days after the examinations.
For example: if the examination took place on Saturday, the results are at last published the second Tuesday after this day. The results will be published on the Studyboard (Dutch: Studiebord)on the tab Informatie.
• Do I receive the results also on paper?
All examination results are published similtaneously on the Studyboard, so every class or group receives the results at the same time.
Yes, you receive a summary of all the results, called the Study Results Form (Dutch: Studieresultatenformulier) at the end of the year when the re-examinations are finished.
• How long is an examination score valid?
An examination score is valid for one year. So it is possible to interrupt your education for one year. If the interruption lasts longer than one year, you have to rewrite your examinations. You can request in order for us to make an exception. Generally an exception will be made if the education didn't change much during this time.
• What are the payment requirements for the Academy of Chinese Medicine Qing-Bai?
• Do I get a discount if I do two educations at the same time?
• How much do I pay if I have to repeat a year?
No, unfortunately no discounts are given when studying two educations at the same time.
If you repeat a year or a module you receive a 40% discount.
• Does the course fee include Value Added Tax (V.A.T.)?
No, professional educations are exempt from V.A.T. Therefore the course fee as printed on the invoice is the total amount due.
• Which professional associations can I join?
• Are the refresher courses recognized by the professional association of which I am a member?
- Dutch association for Traditional Chinese Medicine Zhong (Dutch: Nederlandse vereniging voor Traditioneel Chinese Geneeskunde Zhong)
- Dutch Association for Acupuncture (Dutch: Nederlandse Vereniging voor Acupunctuur NVA)
- Association for Natural Medical Therapists (Dutch: Vereniging voor Natuurgeneeskundig Therapeuten VNT)
- Dutch Association of Practitioners (Dutch: De Nederlandse Werkgroep van Praktizijns NWP).
Every professional association has its own requirements.
The association NVA has recognized the Qing-Bai education but has some specific requirements concerning preliminary training and allows a.o. physiotherapists (and certain related professions) to join their association.
The association Zhong has recognized the Qing-Bai education and allows Qing-Bai graduates to join. The Qing-Bai Western Medical Basic Training is recognized by Zhong as a Higher Vocational Education.
The association VNT has a selection committee and generally allows Qing-Bai graduates to join. The Qing-Bai Western Medical Basic Training is recognized by VNT as a Higher Vocational Education.
The association NWP has a selection committee and generally allows Qing-Bai graduates to join.
We advise you to contact the professional association yourself for information.
On the refresher course website (www.tcmbijscholing.nl and www.shiatsubijscholing.nl) it is usually mentioned which professional association recognizes the specific refresher course.
If your professional association is not mentioned please contact your association.
• Do I have to prepare for a refresher course?
In general it is advisable to prepare for a refresher course. If specific preparation is necessary it will be mentioned when we publish the refresher course at www.tcmbijscholing.nl. If there are any specific documents necessary, you can download them by visiting this website.